>>3147
Right. Since the value of y is unavailable to the programmer, what sets y and the value it represents apart as far as the programmer is concerned?

Tell me why variables are not meaningless. I understand that fundamentally variables and values are very distinct, but in practice in a language like Java they are not. Give me an example where you can't view a variable identically to it's value. Like I said, all you care about a Bar b is the Bar class which b points to, and nothing else -- so in effect b IS the Bar.

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>>3148
because variables in carry a type, and assignment requires that the object assigned be an instance of or derived from that type. furthermore, the compiler checks method calls via the type of the variable, i.e. if you try to call a method implemented in a derived class via a variable of the base class, the compiler will complain. clearly, the programmer needs to understand the difference.

>>3149
No, he doesn't. The programmer just needs to understand that b is a Bar. A subclass of Bar is still a Bar, and anything you can do with a Bar you can do with it's subclasses.

Anyways, as you just described, the variable is clearly treated as an object instance, which is the key point here.

>>3153
But not everything that can be done with a subclass can be done via a base class variable. Duh.

Well done. You trolled me long and hard, but your nature is clear now. Thanks for playing, now fuck off.

>>3155
...yes, that's why b is Bar b, not BarSubClass b.

Like I was saying, as far as the programmer is concerned b is an object of type Bar, irrespective of subclassing.

>>3134
See, this is bullshit. Absolute shit.

Java and C++ aren't too advanced for a beginner. They're not what I'd recommend, but kids in the 80's taught themselves motherfucking assembly (though most started with BASIC, to be fair). You'd be amazed what kids could learn. I started on Java in a high school CS class; by the end of the year, my friend and I had spent most of the classes poring over the online API documentation and succeeded in writing tic-tac-toe and a few other things -- and this was in the days of AWT. Remember how shitty AWT was?

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>>3135

> > IGNORE THE GUYS WHO SAID JAVA OR C++, THEY ARE BOTH WAY TOO ADVANCED FOR A BEGINNER.

> My university's computer science department starts off all first-years on Java. Most of them have never programmed before. This is also true of a lot of other universities. Would you like to rethink your argument?

lol ! b/c universities can always be trusted to make the best choice!

Some universities start with C, which is a more difficult language than Java. Really, though, it doesn't matter what language you start with so long as you learn the same stuff.

Starcraft Triggers. I don't even think it counts as a programming language, but it resembles the structure of one so whateva

processing!

>>3117

Well, I kind of had this before. But, how can you make it only use a single loop? Is there a way?

Should I give up and just have two loops?

>>3117
oops, didn't see the one loop requirement. so this one, then:

        int i = 0;
        bool up = true;
        while (i >= 0 || up)
        {
            Console.Write("{0} ", i);

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>>3120

So that's what the other person meant, ok cool. This has opened my eyes a bit for these loop questions.

Thanks /prog/ I'm smoking a bowl for you.

Another way to do it apart from a boolean (not necessarily better though):

for( int x = 0; x < number*2; x++ )
{

if( x < number )
    Console.Write( "{0} ", x );
else

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>>3114

Well that depends on when you set the boolean :)

This is ugly as shit, but it does what you're asking:

Console.WriteLine("What do you wanna count to?");
int sum = 0, numberToCount = Int32.Parse(Console.ReadLine());

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>>3099
You need to change your file-associations, so that a .py file isn't associated with IDLE, but with the Python interpreter. I think you can right click the file -> properties -> open in -> and change it there.

>>3105

thanks ill check it out tomorrow

Learn some assembly then Java, C and Python.

>>2966

I learned HTML when I was like 11 give or take. I started making websites and learned CSS, JavaScript (not very well), XML, XSLT and PHP in a few months a few years later.

If an 11 year old can learn it a 19 year old can

>>3110
Why would he want to learn assembly?

opcodes / mnemonics in a table
indexed lookup for speed (hash table, map, etc)
input stream of bytes
output stream of text
read bytes until match found
output matching mnemonic
repeat until finished

Also, please excuse my bad english, i always read but do not often write..

oblige him guys

>>3077
fuck I don't know what he's asking for... someone get him his sheen code

MACHINE CODE!!!! :DDDD

>>3078
?

>>3096
lol

Sorry guys, I was really just trying to get a laugh out of this. I wasn't trying to troll anyone, I just thought it would get a few laughs here and there.

There's a scale app for the iphone. It sucks.

And normal touchpads don't measure pressure. Where the hell did you get that idea?

I stumbled upon this and realized wait touch pads don't measure pressure. but tablets do. I would love to know if I could use my tablet instead as it has a MUCH higher surface area than my scale

>>3098

If you're going to use a tablet, get a box, put tablet pen though box until the nib is sticking through.

Put your tablet on the box so it's sticking up a bit. Place stuff on tablet.

The tablet itself don't check pressure, the pressure is checked with the nib and the contraption behind the nib

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You should be using or not and. Should be obvious.

While the number is not zero AND the sum is less than 100, do this.

>>3094
er, sorry, and not or

Enter number: 50 (number = 50, sum = 50) = (true||true) = true
Enter number: 75 (number = 75, sum = 125) = (true||false) = true
Enter number: 0 (number = 0, sum = 125) = (false||false) = false

On the first two cases, the loop condition is satisfied and the loop continues. On the third case, the loop condition is not satisfied and the loop stops.

Do this >>3095

You're not limited to strictly doubles in C++. The following overridden functions are available in math.h:

double pow(double x, double y);
double pow(double x, int y); // C++ only
double pow(int x, int y); // C++ only
float pow(float x, float y); // C++ only
float pow(float x, int y); // C++ only
long double pow(long double x, long double y); // C++ only

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Because if either x or y are doubles the answer will be a double. You couldn't have one that would be (int int --> int) because if y is negative the answer would need to be a double.

Well, I suppose it would be possible but it wouldn't be as useful.