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14853 No.104178 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

tl;dr why do I have to support the less well off, when I have no personal desire to do so?
I demand a reason.

Dear /pol/, I know there is a general divide on this forum between the economic left and right wing. yet everyone claims to be anti-authoritarian (or the general majority anyways).
So I have a question aimed mainly at the economic left wing.
Why should I, an individual who has worked to put themself into a position whereby they can afford everything they need and can fully support themselves, pay for you, a less economically advantaged person to have the same benefits?

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>>106623
"Why, how can you ask such a question? You are a republican."
"A republican! Yes; but that word specifies nothing. Res publica; that is, the public thing. Now, whoever is interested in public affairs – no matter under what form of government – may call himself a republican. Even kings are republicans."
"Well! You are a democrat?"
"No."
"What! You would have a monarchy?"
"No."

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>>106602
Still pretty fucking far away. Regarding things like propositions in California:

I see this as a problem with referenda and initiatives within parliamentary democratic states and not direct political participation. The issue of gay marriage itself isn't something that is actually important to and debated by the people that possess power in this country. Rather, it is important to the people who show the legacy of a failed secular education system, something handled by inculpable bureaucrats and representatives who have a demonstrable interest in keeping people angry and going to the polls to vote on things that don't affect their lives whatsoever, again. Hence, the issue is tacked onto more encompassing representative platforms as a kind of political capital.

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>>106623
If you don't know the difference between the U.S. republic and a democracy just get out of this thread. please.

>> No.106754 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106661
Oh I don't disagree. 'Spose I was just making a cheap shot at California, as I live through its nonsense everyday.

>> No.106762 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106753
Stop using the word republic idiot, now you start putting us republic in a thin attempt at changing the goal posts. Of course the US is a republic, it doesn't have a fucking monarchy. No amount of your American retardation will change the meaning of that word.



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12812 No.105673 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Why are drugs illegal?

Let's think about this now. I barely touch any drugs, I enjoy alcohol, and very occasionally smoke marijuana but I don't ever buy my own, so I've got no real personal interest in it.

Let's establish some facts first of all:

  1. The legality of drugs does not limit the ability of the general populace to acquire drugs. If there is a drug that you want and you have the money there is an avenue you can take to get it.
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>> No.106160 Report Ban Global Ban

How's this? All drugs should be legal. People that do stupid shit on drugs should be held accountable for it, not the drug.

To >>106094 the vagueness of the term "criminal behavior" is far to broad to have the proven causation of cocaine use. Since cocaine is already, you know, "criminal" in most of western civilization.

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>>106094
Yeah just as much as you can draw a link between fast food and violent behaviour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crO8WVtY_fA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyKvy2Oyhcs
Time to ban all lipids and sugars because people want them too much.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Kokain_-_Cocaine.svg
This right here whether it contains a HCL on it or not does make anyone assault you. The main thing it does is increase dopamine concentration in your brain, and neither does this goddamn thing http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Dopamine2.svg force anyone to rob any stores.

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The thing that a lot of people don't get is that it's not the removal of HCL what makes crack cocaine be what it is but instead the stigma and popular notions of freebase cocaine.

>> No.106749 Report Ban Global Ban

What I mean is that the observed effects of drug use ever rarely are inherent effects of the molecule, and even if they were, in my opinion there still wouldn't be any need to force people not to use them.
I just don't see myself asserting the sort of ownership over everyone else that I get to decide what they want to do.

>> No.106761 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106749
Nobody cares what yo think, you just want to get high. You'd say anything to get your fix.

>>106140
That's true for all drugs
I didn't make any spelling errors
The sentence structure was fine.



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55421 No.106366 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

So capitalists. There's many Arguing here with you folks, and Socialists/Anarchists. It got me wondering. What course of action would you take if any, if an Anarchist/Socialist movement became widely accepted by most of the population and the western infrastructure as we know it today faced collapse due to those large and strong movements? OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL!

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>>106687
NEDM, brah.

>> No.106695 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106690
your mother is

>> No.106701 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106673
There is no such thing as "competition for labor amongst employers". That's why unemployment exists. Workers quite strictly don't just move to other places that offer them better pay, because those places are and would be fantasy. A compassionate capitalist who lessens the exploitation his workers face loses profits, which means, because of the tendency of capital to accumulate, that he risks losing his capital to his competitors; his workers will be out of a job. The best he can do is give himself a working wage and divide his personal profits equally amongst the workers, which of course doesn't account for the rest of management's pay. That's about as common as you would expect.

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>>106674
Libertarian socialism seeks to minimize coercion and hierarchy by abolishing capitalism and establishing systems of free association and mutual development. I'm not saying it'll get rid of coercion, just the main root of systemic, institutional coercion, which is much more pressing.

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>>106532

THIS, you anarcho-socialist faggots, respond to this man!



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262624 No.106600 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me.
If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

>> No.106604 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106600
And then you break one of those obnoxious rules and get sent to prison.

>> No.106610 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106604

the martyr is one who does what he believes is right and accepts the consequences.

>> No.106733 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106610

Interesting concept of martyrdom.

>> No.106752 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106610
eh... no thanks. I'd rather we work to make laws fair.

>> No.106759 Report Ban Global Ban

I been breakin the law since the day I was born, and I aint been made a martyr yet!

PS You do realize that more than likely each and every one of you breaks at least one law a day?



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23549 No.106381 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MbtVFsu2c0&fmt=18

oh, Reuben.

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>> No.106699 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106666
Japan has the same problems that other 1st world countries with immigration have, a growing underclass.

>> No.106717 Report Ban Global Ban

i am pleased with the islamic invasion of europe

was only a matter of time until our cousins across the sea tasted a bit of their own medicine

we have our occasional fort hood etc etc but more than 12 euopeans are killed by muslims in every EU country every month im sure

you scum bowed to the greek gods, then wotan, then christ, and now you will bow to mohammed

>> No.106726 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106699
I'm aware. It's not hard to find an Iranian in Tokyo working for the mafia or is otherwise homeless, selling drugs or hacked phone cards to survive. A lot of them live under bridges and things. It's my understanding they had come during the 1980's when Japan invited them to immigrate for work, and many of them chose to stay rather than go back to the now-Islamic Republic of Iran. I've been to the ghettos where many East Asian immigrants and Indians live, seemingly marginalized and pushed away from everyone else.

Of course Japan has immigration problems but because Japan is so largely homogeneously Japanese, it's not that big of an issue except to right-wingers who are more phased by the Westernization of their country than third-world laborers. Society generally deals with them as you would expect; that's why many ethnic Koreans or other people made to feel like outcasts within such a largely conformist society make up a lot of the mafia guys. With the recession and unemployment, I'm not sure what the present situation is there now since I haven't been since then, but I haven't gathered that immigrants from the third-world make much of an issue in Japan. Certainly on no level comparable to the USA or Western Europe.

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>>106699
Japan's population is shrinking you dolt.

>> No.106758 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106739
What a retarded statement to make.



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63584 No.106482 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

The Islamic Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece

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>> No.106724 Report Ban Global Ban

In Australia if the victim & perp, or maybe if only just one, is Aboriginal and they both agree the punishment can be handled through 'Traditional Law'.
So a while back a guy in the Northern Territory charged with vehicular manslaughter was speared in each leg a dozen times & his ankles were broken.

>> No.106727 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106724
Why would he agree to that?

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>>106727
Abbos aren't known for their intelligence.

>> No.106756 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106727
beats jail time I guess

>> No.106757 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106639

Domestic abuse is a civil matter?



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131590 No.106607 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

You Rage, You Lose. Sovereignty edition. Go!

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We have ice ages for a reason. Theres no point in wasting money on "preventing climate change" because we can't.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0

There's the whole speech, if anyone's interested. Some intriguing stuff in there.

>> No.106729 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106722
Fuck, I'm surrounded by pussies.
Pussies that own an air conditioner and either don't understand how it works or worship and fear it.
Guys, it's an air Conditioner, it doesn't feel it when I flip the switch....

>> No.106738 Report Ban Global Ban

oh no obama is going to sell america damn socialist commie nigger etc.

>> No.106755 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106738
Actually I'm just concerned that we're making obligations to cut business productivity to pollute less when we have already doubled our base money supply in the last year. When are we going to stop abusing the money machine? It can't go on forever, you have to face the bust at some point.



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221672 No.106526 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

riarpatch: Any observations about the current state of the environmental movement?

Noam Chomsky: I don't think there is an organized, centralized movement. There's a general range of agreement, including from scientists, that the problem is extremely serious, and while there are a lot of uncertainties with regards to what could happen, there's a consensus that the longer we wait, the greater the cost to future generations.

Some serious socio-economic changes have to be made. We've got this unsustainable way of life, particularly in the Western world, particularly in North America. The atomization of the population and the drive towards unwarranted consumerism and indebtedness have created very serious social, economic and cultural problems which have to be overcome. There are no structures around where people can integrate and begin to organize themselves; those have to be rebuilt anew. There are many people involved in environmental issues but they are very separate from one another. People in one corner of town don't know what's happening in the other corner, and that has to be overcome.

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>>106557

Probably why you still don't know anytrhing, cause you always stop reading when there's something you dont wanna hear, HAHAHA LOL

>> No.106732 Report Ban Global Ban

just curious but how much cash does Chomsky rake in off his books, or does he provide his books free? how much does he collect from giving speeches, or are those as well, given freely?

if indeed he does profit from his labor, then how much of his wealth does it fan out to the unfortunate and impoverished people of the world?

or is his a massive hypocritical sophist like everyone else?

>> No.106745 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106732

email and ask him. im with you though. if he gave the majority of the profits he made off his books to charity he'd solve global poverty

>> No.106750 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106745

He's been asked that before in emails and responded generally saying "I don't see why it matters entirely, and it is never stable with one number. I ask that most of the money be directed to something like OXFAM instead of me, etc.)

>> No.106751 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106732

>how much cash does Chomsky rake in off his books, or does he provide his books free?

If you check the copyright on the books, but you're too fucking lazy for even that I guess, you'll see most of them are registered to trusts for his kids & grandkids. And I'm sure these earn tens of millions, putting Dan Brown and Stephen King and J.K. Rowling to shame.

>how much does he collect from giving speeches, or are those as well, given freely?
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349382 No.106746 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/sharia-finance-rapidly-increasing-inroads-via-american-bankswith-the-help-of-our-treasury-department/

“While America struggles with the sub-prime and credit market crisis, Sharia-Compliant Finance, is quickly infiltrating our financial markets – and bringing Islamic Shariah Law with it. As one leading Islamic authority on Shariah-Compliant Finance has stated, “it is jihad with money.” In a new ACT! for America video, Joy Brighton, ACT! for America’s financial expert on Shariah Compliant Finance warns America of this chilling threat.”



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13613 No.106492 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Maine Voters Reject Gay Marriage Law

Gay marriage has now lost in every single state -- 31 in all -- in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine -- known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate -- and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

The outcome Tuesday marked the first time voters had rejected a gay-marriage law enacted by a legislature. When Californians put a stop to same-sex marriage a year ago, it was in response to a court ruling, not legislation.

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>> No.106715 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106706
the federal 14th amendment can override any state-level amendments. whether it applies to gay marriage is up to the court.

>>106696
is this thread about nationalistic pissing-contests? no? then stop.

>> No.106728 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106688
I know it's fundamentally a contract, but people in the United States consider it to be religious ceremony with divine sanctity. That is where that whole "sanctity of marriage" argument against same-sex marriage comes from. Otherwise, yes, if it was considered the contract it really is, then there would be no debate over this. Who else but the religious communities campaigns against same-sex marriage?

>> No.106731 Report Ban Global Ban

you know, in florida its part of our state constitution to ban gay marriages. I believe the exact wording is "thou shalt not fag" or something like that.

This surprised the shit out of miami.

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>>106495
True, however people need to hear about this to remind them that roughly half of our country are borderline retarded christfags.

They ran commercials here saying that the current law was pushing homosexuality on children, and apparently over 50% of the population here believed it. That's the kind of shit that can make anyone feel a bit of misanthropy.

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>>106735
In California, we had non-stop TV and radio commercials about how public schools will be forced to include gay marriage in our grade school curriculum unless Prop 8 passes to "protect families". Of course, the man in charge of public schools in California had to interrupt his job to come out and make a statement about how there is no curriculum about marriage in general, but most people believe lies than keep informed with facts. It's the same tactic with health care: repeat over and over that Obama is going to "take away" your health care, kill your grandparents, and rationed care. Why do they repeat lies? Because it works and most Americans are either too stupid or too busy to keep informed.



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24031 No.106354 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

What does a libertarian socialist society look like?

Is there still monies? How are goods distributed?

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>>106718
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

Don't you just hate Americans and their inability to learn English

>> No.106723 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106718
http://tinyurl.com/yejvprv

>> No.106730 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106633

Cartelization leads to oligopoly, oligopoly leads monopoly, monopoly leads to inefficient (and possibly) inequitable supply of goods and services.

When I say firm I mean collective, and this is exactly the case, of maintaining the syndicate when one collective or firm wants to leave.

We can use whatever words you like, but the fact is some collectives will want to convince consumers to freely associate with them more than they do with other collectives and will be more convincing because they have the skill, technology, business acumen or work ethic that makes them more convincing.

>> No.106736 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106730
The very model of consensus management ensures cartelization is an effective impossibility.

>> No.106742 Report Ban Global Ban

>>106721

Looks like the "anti" one's came first. LOL Y U GUISE MAD THO?????!!??



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91312 No.106740 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Not sure if posted before, but there is currently a bill in congress to essentially allow states to decide for themselves on marijuana policy. I take no credit, as this was posted on /weed/, but I wanted to make sure everyone sees, I know you guys (may) be a little more likely to take action.

The bill is entitled "HR 2943, the Act to Remove Federal Penalties for Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults". It was proposed previously but failed the support to pass, and was re-introduced in June of 2009 by a larger list of support.

http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=13568661

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>> No.106741 Report Ban Global Ban

shameless self bump/

>> No.106763 Report Ban Global Ban

It doesn't make a difference, the only thing that matters is if it's completely legal or not completely legal and at present it's not completely legal, this won't change anything.



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