>>122925

Then how do those original people know it exists?

Huh? HUH?

There doesnt have to be illumanati or a definate 'group' behind whats happening. They just have a mutual agreement that they know they just need more profits. so its not some evil group thats the problem, its the system thats been evolved is fatally flawed to eventually provide complete power to the very few.
the world will change, but not because of the illumanati or other crap, its because they just need profits.

>>122926
Hearsay. Thats all anything is. Im not trying to discredit anything or anyone, but the fact of the matter is EVERYTHING you have ever read or been told is hearsay.

Believe what you will. It makes no difference.

It is all hearsay and bullshit. People who believe in this idea of a NWO have no consistent definition or evidence for what it is and who controls it. It's either the Illuminati, shape-shifting lizard people, the Elders of Zion, grey aliens, Satan, or the Bilderbergs. Or some combination of either. Like all conspiracy theorists, believers take shit they know and try to make connections, links, and paint an entire picture based on no real evidence as long as it "makes sense" to them. Utter nonsense. I can't take seriously any "theory" of an extraordinary claim if no two people can even agree on fundamental facts about the claim they insist is true. It sounds like they're just projecting things or simply want to believe.

>>122930

takes a drag off a blunt

Like everything is real and everything is fake mannnnn

>>122916
hadji aint shit. he takes naps 6 times a day to pray to his pedophile rag head jesus.
now we wanna talk about tough motherfuckers lets talk about charles.
but then again CHARLIE DONT SURF

>>122917

lol fucking lazy pashtun, they only defeated the soviet union with the backing of america

>>122919
Except the Taliban insurgency is taking back control of Afghanistan, and we can't even sustain control of that place after 9 years. Who is helping them? Iran isn't, they worked with us to destroy their regime. Russia isn't. China isn't. No, they're taking back control and winning for a myriad of reasons, namely because they are an effective insurgency. They're never going to leave nor the people going to accept us. We're obviously not wanted there just as England and Russia were driven out.

>>122933

>Except the Taliban insurgency is taking back control of Afghanistan

>>122933

lol yea, I guess those Iranian made ATGMs and SA-7 clones just magically turned up there, derp. If you don't think Iran would be siezing on the opportunity to counterbalance US influence in a territory on its own borders you are fucking retarded.

Also lets not forget the ISI and the fact that the Pashtun are themselves nearly a quasi state in their own right since they essentially dominate their own areas and transcend borders.

ha ha, nigga must be trolling. space exploration is investing in the future. if we can make it cheaper, we will never want for resources again. need metals? mine the asteroids. need rare gases? go to the gas giants and suck out some. still need gas? there are several moons that have hydrocarbons near saturn and jupiter. need energy? uranium can be found on asteroids.

honestly, it'd be better to be able to get the fuck off of this planet. if a catastrophe wipes us out on earth, the species won't die out if we're on other planets. i mean, you have to be retarded to think we should stop exploration. besides, we will never cure hunger, especially if we just stay on earth. give it up.

>>122854
science

>>122797
Same exact thing could be said for our 'defense' budget. $600 billion seems a bit much when no one out there wants to attack us. Way more money in there than the NASA budget.

Good idea, let's have foreign nations surpass our space technology and programs because we can't cut anything else like pouring billions upon billions into occupying shitholes like Afghanistan and losing. Let's not go near the bloated defense budget that's stuck in an infinite Cold War time loop where all the real money is. Investing in space technology and exploration could yield fantastic benefits and scientific understanding, shit that I happen to care about, and I would prefer to see my country dominating the space race than watching China or Russia take the lead in space exploration.

all science is good. the worlds going to shit either way, so lets have it die with lazer guns and space marines

>>122840

think about how much trouble we have putting down gangs already. now, think if there was no coordination between towns. it'd be like the '30s but worse. now, think what would happen if a lot of towns formed into a state. if they wanted to, they could pick the other towns off. anarchism will never work.

>>122910

It seems most of the people talk about arming 'villages' as a means of gang control are usually ancaps, while traditional Anarchists acknowledge the fact the large gang activity can be traced back to societal problems, or some form of social problem rather than the "inevitability of human violence". Read histories of certain gangs, and how they formed too. Gangs and violence was never as big as it was today, with the prohibition age still being behind today's standards. Why? Well the crack explosion in the 80's and The War on Drugs (both synonymous to some, who accuse the C.I.A of being some of the dealers behind the crack infestation. To those who are old enough to remember, this was actually a semi-mainstream issue which slowly went into the shadows).

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>when communities are empowered while institutions of oppression are collapsed, violence within communities
>violence within communities
>within

given the organic nature and small size of anarch communities, it's not the violence within the communities that matter

>>122918

I don't really get what you're trying to say. Communities are not exclusive to Anarchism (the way they function, and their relations can be though), Communities exist in today's society. There are certain communities, like say -insert city section name here- and I don't really see how Anarchism aims to change the size of that community.

>>122913
yeah, its like the 'chinese fingertrap' arguement. The more force you exert on the people, the harder the force they are going to exert back. so if you demand obedience and for them to give up their goods for the state, the harder and more violent they are going to fight back against that.

>>122562

>Obama
>they hate him because he's different.

No, people hate him for trying to increasing the size of government and tremendously expanding the national debt. Tripled, I believe, over the next 10 years, by his recently proposed budget.

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Militating for "atheism" as some kind of alternate lifestyle or its own statement of belief equivalent to religion is stupid and I think that kind of activism has slowed the potential progress of the secularist cause in the USA. It's not the belief or lack of belief in god(s) that is the issue but rather keeping religion in the private sphere and having a secular civil society and political culture.

For political reasons we need a secular but not necessarily atheist movement/lobby that can win over the majority of people who just kind of happen to believe because they're too fucking lazy to question it to the position that its better for everyone if they just keep all that shit to themselves and worry about more important/tangible things. The only alternative would be to evangelize to become a big enough minority to pull more weight and I really don't think "we don't believe in God" is appealing enough for that strategy.

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>>122568
Regardless of whatever moral position you want to take on this obscure issue, it's just reality. The force of political influence in this country is measured in money and lobbying. It's common sense - the right-wing religious lobbies, organizations, and evangelical church associations are there to push an agenda. I'm simply saying a pro-secularist lobby, not an activist "atheist lobby", is necessary to at least have a place in the political conversation in DC when legislators take it upon themselves to enact laws or even amendments through religious motivation or pressure. Ideally, I wouldn't like any religious lobbies (or any lobbies for that matter), but we don't live in ideals, do we? It's not radical to suggest a pro-secularist lobby, nor is it "abandoning principles", that's just a little hyperbolic... but anyway, you can't "fight harder" if there is no entity that has any influence to direct political change or thwart change that myself and others believe infringes on a basic foundation of this country. It sounds like you should support the idea of a pro-secularist lobby to keep religion out of government and not exploited by political parties for political gain. The idea isn't anti-religious, it's simply a proposition to push a simple and relatively mainstream idea that religion should inherently be a private thing without a place in public policy.

14%, Atheists are minorities.

Probably. I just got preached at and witnessed to by several people in my philosophy class because my woldview did not include any mention of God and Jesus. The professor just ignored it. Best part? I'm not even atheist.

Palin only showed up in 08 because the GOP needed someone other than 2 older upper class white guys on the ticket go up against obama. she was brought it to help get mccain elected, not because anyone in the GOP thought she was any good at anything imo.

but Obama has been elected, so hopefully idiots will shut the fuck about how "WE NEED A BLACK PRESIDENT, OR WE NEED A WOMAN PRESIDENT" we need a good president, race or gender should be irrelevant

and bottom line, palin lost in 08, and large portion of the country think she is a fucking idiot. I don't think she will be around come 2012.

At CPAC last year she had as much support as Ron Paul did. I think that's a good sign she won't make it anywhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPAC_Straw_Poll

>>122899
Not to mention she skipped CPAC this year to make money speaking at the for-profit Tea Party convention (CPAC doesn't pay). Palin isn't interested in running for office, she's unelectable, and it's obvious to anyone who's paid attention she dropped out of her first term as governor to make cash money and be a celebrity while the iron was hot. The conservative movement should be embarrassed by her, she doesn't have any minimal policy insight beyond folksy buzzwords and phrases, and I'm pretty sure the last thing the behind-the-scenes GOP establishment wants is for her to run for anything.

Don't be morons guys. The RNC will never let her run properly, they're not idiots. It's a simple spiel really: she's put in play to lower expectations and redefine the extreme right of the party, thus making their actual candidate seem intelligent and centrist.

But Palin represents the REAL America!

The one that likes to watch NASCAR and buys their wedding rings at WalMart!

Not like that FAKE America!

>>122790
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring

Communists don't tend to take kindly to the idea of "Socialism with a human face".

Also, if I recall, the original aim of the October revolution was to obtain something similar, however the revolution ended up being hijacked by the Bolsheviks, or, if you prefer, communists.

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capitalism isn't collapsing, most western countries are recovering and the BRICs economies have been growing this whole time

Whatever happens, I hope this is how it looks,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkUaV9GZDuk

>>122844

I certainly agree with your post content but that attempt at counter-lulz in that cartoon is AWFUL

>>122806
if you live in a 3rd world country you probably wont own a computer anymore

fix'd

>>122881

Why? His election, and his race, has inspired African American youth to do something other than rob liquor stores. Whether that actually changes anything or not remains to be seen, sure, but his statement was still correct. And as he said, it has nothing to do with Obama's performance, just the circumstances of his election.

You guys get so mad over such irrelevant things.

You guys think McCain would have done anything differently? He was funded by banks just like Obama. If he was in office every argument holder (besides the ones in between) would be switched on posistion.

>>122882

becuause his personal success/fuckups should not be in any way judged in relation to race, only in their successfulness/fuckedupedness

>>122868

lol, at white people who get extremely defensive and nervous when the existence of racial injustice and inequality is brought up. They irrelevantly shout things like "YOU'RE PLAYING THE RACE CARD, NO YOU KNOW BLACKS ARE RACIST TOO?!!?" in a manner that looks like they were defending themselves after being accused of murder (these are the real men with white guilt LOL).

>>122886

Difference though. McCain couldn't silent potential for mass movements because he wasn't marketed as a change within the system. Lets face this, people were fed up with the system. Old rich white men represented that system for years upon years. So if McCain won, I think we'd see a rebirth in labor movements, and there'd be unrest when economic policies in favor of the banks implemented.

I think you're lost

>they have also been studying asteriods which came from mars that contains tiny fossils

Source?

I've seen straight up Africans hotter than Michelle Obama. Also, she's not a politician.

The Queen of Saudi Arabia is gorgeous.

Who else would slide their cock between her tits?

>>122792
Is that the German Chancellor?

....Shit. Hyper butterface combo.

>>122792

She has an ass chest, but i'd still suck on 'em.

I'd feel bad, but I wouldn't intervene, he and all conservatives in government has it coming.

Hi, I've reported this thread to the FBI. Good luck in prison you faggots.

>>122782
I'll remember your words when a bunch of Democrats get hung in front of the Capitol building.

I let him know and we find a way to implicate Pelosi.

Lulz ensue and the bitch is put in jail for eternity where she belongs.

>>122831

Lynch them all, I don't care.