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155868 No.90298 Sticky Locked Report Ban Global Ban Unsticky Unlock Reply

Happy Halloween, if there's such a thing as happiness or halloween.

from 420chan, if we exist.



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53319 No.91490 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

While showering today after a delightful breakfast, i pondered the ethics of morality and the prevalement of right and wrong in our modern society. And this led to a revalation: 2. As in the number 2. It seems in our world (nay, maybe the universe) that things always seem to inconsiquentialy come in opposing pairs. Think about it. Black and white. Right and wrong. North and south. If you will bear with me on this plateu of thought, even entertain the notion yourself, would that not mean that in this exact part of space, howver on a mirrored tangent, that another world such as ours exists? A mirrored world if you will, where everything is opposite to our own? I would like to see in what ways our world is mirrored. Every event that happens has an equal and negative reaction. If for arguements sake we are the plus and every choice our race as homo sapiens has led up to this exact point in time, what would life be like in the negative world?

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>> No.91495 Report Ban Global Ban

There is no opposite. There is only One.

>> No.91497 Report Ban Global Ban

there is an opposite but it is not aligned perfectly with out universe

>> No.91527 Report Ban Global Ban
>It seems in our world (nay, maybe the universe) that things always seem to inconsiquentialy come in opposing pairs.

You have to ask yourself whether this is a concrete distinction, or merely one that we construct in our head. For example does the direction left make any sense without it's opposite, right? Both left and right are defined by their opposites, however there is no absolute left, nor an absolute right. It's a construction that is purely in our heads. Moreover it is the very way in which we create concepts in our head: through defining their opposite.

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I have invested 30 years of my life and over
1/4 millions dollars researching Nature's 4 -
simultaneous 24 hour days within a single
rotation of Earth. Religious/Academic word
taught singularity is contradicted as evil lies
by the simple math of the Cube's Opposite
Corners - the most perfect symmetry within
the Universe. Academic SINGULARITY

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>> No.91529 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91528
HOLY FUCK THAT IS A WALL OF TEXT



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Is time subjective?

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Time is subjective at times to the perception of the mind, i.e.: time flies when you're having fun; "Damn it! Is this boring class over yet?!" Time is also subjective to the perception of the mind in times of mind-alteration by way of psychotropic drugs, like ganja, alcohol, benzodiazepines, or psychedelics like LSD or mushrooms. This does not mean that time has actually gone slower or faster, as everyone carries varying perceptions, that boring ass seminar is still going to last an hour.

Time is relative, by definition, as our perception of it in space and time is based on our position to what is being observed. For instance, if two twins were two take separate paths, the one staying on Earth while his brother piloted a craft at near the speed of light and came back 60 "Earth" years later, the brother that stayed on Earth would be an old man while the one piloting the craft would only be aged by a couple "Earth" years! If he were to have gone faster than the speed of light, he would actually come back younger!

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>>91518

Time is merely an invention of man to create a timeline of events so we have a way of chronologically organizing things. It has no true meaning other than, if time didn't exist everything would happen at once!

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>>91520
sigh

What is the thing that happens to make such a invention necessary? Analogously, we invent ways to measure distance, but we invent those ways because there is something there to measure.

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Time is kind of a weird thing, we perceive moments in time but never "time" itself. Similarly we may perceive two apples but we never perceive the number "two", also, we perceive things in space, but never "space" itself.

All of these things are the a priori frameworks which is necessary to our perception of the world.

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>>91525

YOU'RE A CLEVER BASTARD KANT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO PROVE YOU WRONG

>All of these things are the a priori frameworks which is necessary to our perception of the world.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU SEE WHAT I MEAN



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8579 No.91486 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

This is my new personal motto: I don't want to work, I don't want a job, I just want to know, my mind is what matters.

I came to this conclusion through the realization that I have no single interest. Anything that I don't know is interesting and expands my knowledge of other subjects. This sensation of dawning upon a new realization is unbelievable.

so /ph/ what is you personal motto/philosophy and how did you reach it?

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>> No.91489 Report Ban Global Ban

unfortunately, what we want to believe and what actually works are not the same. unless you hold the ima get what's mine, fuck everyone else attitude. is this just an american or western thing? i've heard that before, specifically american.

to answer your question, i don't know. i haven't figured it out yet. i just want to make everything better and make people happy but that's obviously not the right way. perhaps if i reinvent myself and adopt an accent this would be more receptive. lol i dunno fuck everybody.

>> No.91492 Report Ban Global Ban

Enjoy being homeless

>> No.91501 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91492
This. Without a job, you're gonna be a homeless old (but wise, yay!) man.

Knowledge alone doesn't generate an income.

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>>91501

ITT: Idealism meets Realism, yay!

>> No.91523 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91510

That's like saying Ron Howard meets a human being when looking at a mirror.



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14748 No.90099 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Hey /ph/

If you could go back in time and ask a historical person a question, what would you have asked?

picrelated its Platon, and I would have asked him if he had a name for the teori about the people trapped in the dark cave

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>>91498

touché

Although that's still debatable, perhaps for another thread and perhaps in /pol/ rather than here. A lot of scientific advancement has come about because the US was around and allowed that kind of freedom (especially considering medical, which I'd think we could all agree is an extremely important advancement to have. The US is at the very least responsible for helping to perfect the internet and releasing it for public usage. All of this isn't even mentioning the original idea behind the US in the first place, with the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights attempting to have a free, democratic nation.

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>>91507
Well they do. Genes can be turned on and off because of environmental factors. Anyway of course he believed in Lamarckism, it was the popular theory of the time, it doesn't change anything about his philosophy.

>> No.91516 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91509

It puts perspective on how his philosophy might have been shaped and what he means by overman.

>> No.91517 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91516
Only changes the method and not the goal.

>> No.91522 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91517

Maybe. I'm not informed enough to take one stand against the other. However, before knowing that this is what Nietzsche thought of evolution, I was having trouble understanding the overman. Afterwards, it became clearer although not entirely.



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767270 No.91491 Banned Report Sticky Lock Reply

Why are some races more attractive then others?

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Reason: These boards are not your dumping ground for stupid racist shit.
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Apparently you've never heard of "Gravure Idols"

Also way to cherry(lol) pick the best of blacks and the increasingly worst of the other races. Check out someone like Tory Lane or Trina Michaels sometimes, fucker.

Also PARTY TIEM!

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>>91511
Possibly the worst taste in porn ever

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Is it that time again?

Also, to counterpoint OP troll: if you can't see beauty in women of all races, then obviously you dislike the female aesthetic and are therefore a gigantic faggot.

>> No.91521 Report Ban Global Ban

PARTY TIME



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743434 No.91110 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Two questions.

1). What's the point?

2). If you believe there is no point, how do you motivate yourself to do anything knowing your existence is futile and ultimately meaningless?

I know some people will say they continue living simply to experience more pleasure, but given that our idea of pleasure is rooted in our genes prodding us toward goals of survival / procreation, does that not sap the meaning out of pleasure (to say nothing of our illusions of free will) ?

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>> No.91473 Report Ban Global Ban

I've actually asked myself those same questions.

I don't wanna sound bitter or negative, but, I dont see a point to my existence, however everyone in this world effects at least one other person's life in this world. Think about all the people you encounter in your life.

Although, I never want to spread my seed, because I don't feel its fair to bring something into this world without it asking to be here. I know it sounds messed up, but so many times in my life I wondered why I was put here, because I never asked to be brought here and sometimes I wish I wasn't. Not only that, the world is pretty messed up right now and it's only going to get worse in my opinion.

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>> No.91477 Report Ban Global Ban
>1). What's the point?

You mean from a personal or objective standpoint?

I guess there really isn't one other than what you want it to be, but it would be very selfish of me to determine the purpose of life or the universe from an exclusively human perspective.

2). If you believe there is no point, how do you motivate yourself to do anything knowing your existence is futile and ultimately meaningless?

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>> No.91484 Report Ban Global Ban

Really, there is no point in trying to find a point. We weren't meant to be able to conemplate shit like this. It's an accident that we made it this far. So just accept that you'll never know and move on. It's really just a matter of being ignorant to something that doesn't make a difference until you're dead anyways. Enjoy the time you have here and have yourself a time filled with endorphins and THC.

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>>91484
So with that attitude, do you still find interest in the normal human desires? Big house, girlfriend/wife, kids, etc.?

>> No.91506 Report Ban Global Ban

Trying to make sense of our life through logic is retarded. We aren't logical beings, we're emotional beings. The fact that we want to be logical is pretty ironic too because want is an emotion.



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598454 No.91310 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

My teacher claims there must be a metaphysical world. He says that if abstract intangible things such as the Pythagorean theorem exist then so must emotions such as love or hate. He says that the Pythagorean theorem existed before humanity ,and our minds are what let us understand it. In essence, he says love was always present before humanity, and our conscience minds are what allow us to feel it. This is in contrast to my belief of emotions being no more than signals in the brain developed through evolution and having no belief in a metaphysical realm. Discuss?

tl;dr: abstract ideas or emotions mean there must be a metaphysical realm

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>> No.91318 Report Ban Global Ban

I think what your professor was trying to get at is the way in which the world doesn't perfectly conform to our mathematical constructions of it. For example it is impossible to draw a perfect circle, however whenever we draw a circle it tries to be like a perfect circle and is a representation of a perfect circle. However, in reality, no true perfect circle exists. In this sense mathematics is metaphysical (meta is the Greek word for "beyond") because it goes beyond the physical realm into a more--for lack of a better word--perfect realm, which can only be represented in this one, and in turn is a representation of this one.

However, as you've presented it, his connection between mathematics and emotions is shaky at best, and at worst a total non-sequitur. Just because something exists independent of our consciousness of it (i.e. mathematics), does not imply that emotions do as well.

>> No.91328 Report Ban Global Ban

your teacher should be fired

>> No.91330 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91318

>Just because something exists independent of our consciousness of it (i.e. mathematics), does not imply that emotions do as well.

Yeah, at the very best this admits the possibility that emotions could exist independently, but with a significant burden of proof remaining for that claim. At worst it's a non-sequitur, as you say. Maybe OP didn't give the argument properly, or the teacher didn't give a full telling of it, but it's pretty shaky in this form.

>> No.91331 Report Ban Global Ban
>the Pythagorean theory exists

I went to go see it once, it's in Colorado

>> No.91502 Report Ban Global Ban

its kind of stupid to compare abstract things such as love and hate to concrete factual things like the pathagrian theory



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So is anyone else here just playing along because we have to?

>> No.91500 Report Ban Global Ban

Playing along with what exactly?

PS: You never HAVE TO do anything, ever. You always have a choice.

>> No.91512 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91500

It's just that all choices have consequences, good or bad.



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13690 No.91378 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Doing a project on Voltaire for school

Any interesting facts about him? And how do you feel about his views toward religion (he was a deist)? Do you appreciate his satire and sarcasm?

Most important: What do you consider his most important work?

>> No.91384 Report Ban Global Ban
>Doing a project for school

Stopped reading here. Also noko? noko?

Please die in a fire. And while in that fire, do your own damn homework.

>> No.91385 Report Ban Global Ban

Answering questions in reverse.
Candide.
His sarcasm illustrates grizzly points about the philosophical fairities/unfairities between class distinctions, which i think is important to develop the yang in people who live lives of ying.
Deism is kind of ridiculous and clingy. It's a way to still believe in god yet by introducing death you scapegoat all the principles of god which are abandoned today.
He's french.

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>>91385
Actually considering buying or even finding Candide.
So you're saying he was the exact opposite of what the world had?

xD So because he's French, he's worthless or something?

>> No.91488 Report Ban Global Ban

Candide was a great read, I would suggest reading that like he said. =]

I remember seeing the play Merope as well but I honestly couldn't tell you what it was about, it was in a theater festival my school was apart of the other school had terrible actors that didn't know how to speak loud and stuff.



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67151 No.91447 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

When is it okay to kill someone? Is it ever a moral imperative? What is this can we even????

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>>91460
Your post hilights a valid point, but that doesn't stop it from being slightly sickening. How sad.

Anyhoo, I look at it this way:
TL;DR: Murder gone unchecked is really fucking inconvenient, so society outlaws it so things can get done under the assumption that we are protected from others killing us.

People, when forming a society, take into account the right to kill another. Let's assume that murder becomes legal. People would be on their guard 24/7. Not much of anything would be done, becuase, well shit, the minute you step out of your house, someone could kill you and take your stuff. So you just stay inside, guarding yourself 247.

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>>91460
we're not responsible for the starving children in africa. there's a very good reason why we have separate nations instead of allowing ourselves to mix with (or be leeched by) every type of nigger around. for one, its been shown that africans can't take care of themselves no matter how much aid is given by outside sources. another, if we open our resources to be freely used then it will deplete too quickly. so we take care of ourselves, alone, to avoid collapse and allow progress. what's wrong with that?

>> No.91478 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91466
but if we all grew up under the same circumstances we would all be hippies and then anarchy would work fine. obviously you cant just put anarchy into place. everyone who doesnt "get it" has to die or be exiled, and every new born has to grow up under anarchy

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>>91452

this

>> No.91485 Report Ban Global Ban

>>91471

>>for one, its been shown that africans can't take care of themselves no matter how much aid is given by outside sources

.... wut



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100559 No.90897 Report Ban Global Ban Sticky Lock Reply

Just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't make them any lesser(desired[what one wants]) or greater(feared[what one doesn't want]) than you.

Words like "idiot", "fag", and other such derogatory attacks on a poster as an attempt to express opposition to the idea of said poster, are nothing more than immature thoughts poorly processed, thus disabling professional reason and logic and reduce the offensive individual to amateurish "shit slinging".

Yet the amateur believes he is greater than the professional!

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>>91414

>I'm a Fag

I would also like to suggest the people that focus on 1 thing/a few words and think that incessantly picking apart one fact somehow destroys an entire argument.

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>>91062
>>91181

THERE IS A GOD! I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I ORIGINALLY SAID OTHERWISE ON THE ISSUE!

Kisses MrVagoo's feet

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I'll just put this here.

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>>91191

LOL 9/11

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OH GOD YES



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