Agreed. I also hate how they say 'Brock Lesnar, former WWE world champion"

What do you need to be WWE world champion?

'Drama generation 101'
'How to shoot steroids 101'
'Faggot 101'

The only way he'll be able to keep it up is if he gets fed cans. He may be strong, but he didn't demonstrate and real skill.

>>6490
>>6492

who died and made you two in charge of who can and cannot fight? if you dont like brock, dont watch the fight. theres plenty of assholes with retarded antics in MMS, phil baroni, frank shamrock, tito ortiz just to name a few. and if you cant get over the fact that a former pro wrestler can fight in the UFC thats too bad cause dana thinks otherwise. hes inexperienced and green, but he shows hes been working on striking and has world class wrestling skills.

>>6495
Truth.

I did think it was a bit bad form pointing and laughing at the guy at the end of the fight. Reminded me less of a sportsman and more of a bully that picked on a weaker kid.

That's the last thing kids need to see on top of immitating MMA moves in RL fights.

the guys got a cock on his chest how can u cheer for him?

>>6495
Dana doesn't care if he can fight. All he cares about is the publicity Lesnar can bring to the UFC. By all rights the guy should have done his time in smaller venues and proven he can actually fight first. But he didn't, and only because he has a well known name.

He doesn't have world class wrestling skills either. He has college level skill.

>>6500

Dana doesnt want fighters who are gonna flop, publicity is good, but very fe people who came to see lesnar wants to see him get shitkicked. but i agree that hew should have started in smaller venues, but he cant help it if he was known before he got into MMA. Dana thinks he can draw, and Brock knows hes gonna make money, so why fuck around going around the world to fight generic nobodys, when you can step into the #1 MMA organization and be close to home. And so far, Brock has shown amazing wrestling, taking down frank mir in less than 10 seconds, and smothering herring for damn near the whole fight. He has a great wrestling record, and someone is yet to match it. Theres nothing in the rule book that says pro wrestlers cant fight in MMA, and if youre pissed that hes in UFC so soon, you should be pissed with Dana. Its not like Brock held a gun to his head.

college level skills are what beat Herring then. He could have ended the fight earlier if he knew any finishing moves... but was content to just dominate the fight. Dude is big and fast, and could be a force.

What about this dude grabbing the mic from Joe? And jumping up and down like a retard at the bell ringing? He might end up being an okay fighter, but part of what made the UFC blow up is it's class. Brock Lesnar has no class. A temporary boost in popularity from Brock isn't necessarily a good thing.

>>6505

how about kongo being a dick and walking off without going over a replay? or is he allowed to do that because hes not american?

>>6506
He's allowed to do it because he's black.

I liked watching the fight and I was thinking I can't wait to see him fight again. Maybe he'll learn to finish.

Then the fight was over and lost any desire to ever see him fight again

Brock Lesnar outweighed Herring by over 60 lbs and still couldnt finish him. That is like me fighting a 5th grader and not being able to win.

Brock will get dominated by any HW BJJ blackbelt, once again showing that size is not everything.

OP speaks the truth. The last thing MMA needs is a bunch of /wooo/ fuckers in tapout shirts acting like tough guys because they watched the ufc once and bought a hat.

Also, popularity is the worst thing that ever happened to the UFC. Everything that becomes popular gets ruined by retarded bandwagon jumpers. See 4chan.

>>6510

the bulk of american MMA fans are already loudmouthed, tapout gear wearing, bandwagoning dickheads.wrestling fans have wrestling and usually dont give a shit about MMA. this wont ruin MMA, nothing will change, quit overreacting.

>>6509

>>Brock Lesnar outweighed Herring by over 60 lbs and still couldnt finish him.
>>Brock will get dominated by any HW BJJ blackbelt, once again showing that size is not everything.

lolwut

>>6510

>>The last thing MMA needs is a bunch of /wooo/ fuckers in tapout shirts acting like tough guys because they watched the ufc once and bought a hat.

Trust me, we're not going to. Only reason I watched was for Lesnar, same with a lot of wrestling fans and most of them are watching to see him get his ass kicked and will probably stop now that he's actually beaten someone. We'll happily take our fake pseudo-sport with obviously contrived matches and shitty storylines, thank you very much.

All of you fags need to stop whining about Lesnar "not finishing" Herring...

The fact is, if he would have finished the fight after the big punch in the first you all would have said he got lucky...

FACT: He dominated a guy most of his haters said would end him easily.

>>6517
He did get lucky. That one lucky punch was the only reason he could lay down on Herring and look dominant for the rest of the match.

Man I just got this sweet new Tapout shirt but it might be the wrong size. Dont no nobody be talkin shit about Brock or I'll do that punch kick thing I saw him do.

>>6520
wat? Okay so Lesnar sucks because some faggot he was fighting couldn't take a punch. Makes sense.

>>FACT: He dominated a guy most of his haters said would end him easily.

I never said that. Maybe some fags did, but I always thought Herring was a bum. He hasn't won 2/3 of his fights and he hasn't really beaten anybody exceptionally good. He was just a can that Dana knew couldn't fight on the ground.

>>6495

OP here:

No one said he couldn't fight. He obviously is going to. No one said he was a shitty fighter either. He's obviously a fantastic fighter. I said he was going to be bad for the sport. He's an asshole, pointing and laughing, grabbing the mic. If you would take all those dicks away from your face and read the post..

>>6506

Kongo isn't allowed to do that he just doesn't speak English and didn't know any better.

Some of the best MMA fighters are or were pro wrestlers. Quit being an elitist cunt.

>>6530

theres already assholes in the sport, even dana is an asshole. Brock wont be any worse for the business than theyre retarded reality show.

OUT OF NOWHERE AN F-5 ON THIS THREAD! BAW GAWD!

You know.. you think there's enough demand for an alternative, more sportsmanlike leauge...

Or maybe it's just people who practice martial arts who want that.

>>6539

that's what the ifl was trying to be... lol bankrupt.

Brock Lesnar is good lmfao.

He is very new to this and will only get better.

I loved his cockiness. I hate that respect thing after the matches. Those guys look like faggots.

>>6566
Agreed, youre there to kickass, not hug.

>>6567
>>6566

I want to see both of you get the living shit beaten out of you. You faggots need to stick to your fight clubs behind the texico.

You have no place in sports, PERIOD

>>6568

yeah, cause the sports industry is built on respect...

Compared to the /wooo/ male soap opera shit you're looking for.

Wasn't there a thread predicting the UFC would adopt gimmicks to reach more people, and it would become very watered down and be presented much like wrestling?

entrance music, occasional shitty pyro, promos and bad commentating? i thought i was watching a shitty wrestling promotion not UFC.

>>6566

You epitomize "Armchair bitch". Stick to getting sodas for your friends and playing Halo, and keep your mouth shut about what goes on inside the cage-you reak of never training in a damn thing except acting like a fucking moron on the web.

UFC is a sport and a business... if you think it's anything other than that, you're stupid. It's about hype hype hype. Fighters are instructed on how to behave. They are told to hype the fights by feigning animosity. They know to thank their sponsors first, and to get their damn logo-emblazoned shirts and hats on BEFORE the announcer gives the result. Watch 'em scramble to get that shit on, so they can get paid.

It's a business. The fights are real, but I suspect there's still manipulation there. It may not be "hey, throw the fight" but those guys are getting worked in subtle ways. It's a sport - lots of rules, lots of clock-watching, sandbagging, stats-padding, and all kinds of other shit.

It's ok, I still like watching it. But at least watch it with your eyes open.

>>6582

>UFC is a sport

lol

>>6584

They're sanctioned by state athletic commissions, and have a pretty extensive set of rules and regulations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts_rules#Unified_Rules_of_MMA

>>6586

I think >>6584 lolled because the previous poster said that 'ufc' is a sport, not MMA.

I think it's upsetting that there's actually people who think that the name of the sport is 'Ultimate Fighting'.

"Heath Herring blinded by Brock Lesnar’s big right"
http://www.mmabay.co.uk/Story%20HerringblindedbyLesnar.html

>>6589

lol, remember when bob sapp went down like a bitch when crocop broke his orbital bone? Herring's tough.

>>6590
oh yeah, herring is tough.

heres the video of Cro Cop vs Bob Sapp for those who havent seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypxE_RhwE9M

Lesnar vs. Gonzaga? Wtf?

Gonzaga's not a tomato can with no ground skills.

The retards bitching and complaining about Lesnar disrespecting Herring after the match were obviously not paying attention to the build-up when Herring was talking MASSIVE amounts of shit about how Lesnar wasn't going to be a challenge and all sorts of other bullshit.

>>6566

Succesfull troll is succesfull.

Motherfucker broke Herrings face with a single punch, has dominated all three MMA fights hes ever been in (kneebar OUT OF NOWHERE MIKE aside), has a huge list of wins, accomplishments and titles, is built like a fucking tank and as fast as a cheetah..

...and hes going to be bad for MMA? Because he laughed at someone who did nothing but talk shit for weeks before the fight? Or because he was in WWE?

You guys are such faggots. I suddenly remember why I stopped coming here and why I suggested Kirt close the board down.

>Or because he was in WWE?

That one. Seems like a legit argument to me.

He raised his arm as the round ended?

BY GOD IS LIKE HE'S DOING A GAY PREGNANT TRANSVESTITE ANGLE AND NOW UFC IS PRO WRESTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>6630

Nigga spoke troof.

>>6568
Honestly I'd love to see the shit beaten out of me to, but you know what, it hasnt happen in the dozen of fights Ive been in.

>The last thing MMA needs is a bunch of /wooo/ fuckers in tapout shirts acting like tough guys because they watched the ufc once and bought a hat.

I can promise you that I will never buy a tapout shirt. The only reason I came to this board was for info/discussion about Lesnar because I loved him in the WWE. I don't care about shoot fighting other than seeing Lesnar win matches so that MMA fans will stop saying "look at your pussy wrestler getting his ass beat".

>>6634
Internet tough guy wanna help with some of the technical threads?

>>6627
He has a lot of good accomplishments but no class. I didn't mind him nodding his head to the chants of his name at the end of the first round but the way he ended the fight and how he acted afterwards was just completely classless. I wonder if he'll do that after fighting somebody who isn't a mediocre and out of shape fighter.

>>6566
>>6566

Because a show of respect after competing against one another is gay... Go to bed trolls.

I'll bet none of the people who call hate Lesnar haven't seen the post fight press conference. He seems to be a confident, funny, and humble man who is thankful to be where he is today. The post fight laughing was due to Herring's camp disrespecting Lesnar, and thinking that he wasn't worthy to fight him. The only people who seem to really care are Lesnar haters, Hell Herring and Lesnar even embraced after it.

People need to look at him as an accomplished wrestler making the transition to MMA, rather than a WWE superstar, that job was for the cash.

>>6653
He's only in the UFC because he was laughed out of the NFL

He's in the UFC, beating guys and getting beaten, instead of sitting in front of his fucking computer on a goddam chan board, jerking off to pics of 12 year olds like most of you fuckers.

I'll watch the fights I want to see, but I refuse to partake in any of the manufactured drama bullshit that goes on with the UFC. I'll never own anything with UFC, tapout, or any of that other marketing bullshit on it. It won't be long before mma is ruined by the business side of it... some would argue it already has been.

Speaking of has beens, can't wait to see Hughes and Serra fight.

>He's in the UFC, beating guys and getting beaten, instead of sitting in front of his fucking computer on a goddam chan board, jerking off to pics of 12 year olds like most of you fuckers.

He's right guys, let's get back to work

>>6659

That's a fucking foolish argument. I happen to be better at running that pretty much any legless vietnam veteran out there, does that mean I should get to go to the Olympics?

The point is that he can't hang with the best MMA fighters in the world, (neither can Herring, but that's not the point here), and as such he shouldn't be in the UFC.

He's there because he's a big name from another sport, that's why he got a tryout with the Vikings, and just like with the Vikings, eventually he'll realize he can't hack it, because nobody liked Josh Koscheck when he was pulling this boring ass lay and pray shit, and nobody likes Lesnar. Then he'll go try something else. Maybe syncronized diving, who knows. Either way it'll be better for the sport when he's gone, because then everybody will be able to look at the UFC and say, "these guys fought their way into this organization and they stay there because they're the best fighters in the world."

>>6664

>everybody will be able to look at the UFC and say, "these guys fought their way into this organization and they stay there because they're the best fighters in the world."

Ehhhhhhhhhh

>>6664

I love how Heath is a can now that he lost to Lesnar. I guess Kongo is too, along with Nog for almost being KTFO by Herring in the first round last time they fought. In b4 "puncher's chance", yeah, because landing a flush head kick on the HW champion is luck.

I'll enjoy watching all the Lesnar haters jump on the bandwagon once he beats someone they cant possibly call a can.

The fact is that he is an extremely big, strong, explosive,(see: great athlete) accomplished wrestler who is working to becoming a more complete fighter everyday. I know this wont matter to the Lesnar haters, because the fact that he earned some cash doing entertainment makes him completely unable to fight.

>>6669

>I love how Heath is a can now that he lost to Lesnar

Herring isn't all of a sudden a can, he's been a can for a good long while. This is a man that once submitted due to 'exhaustion'. Granted, he beat a few top guys in Pride, but none of those guys have gone on to suceed in the UFC or elsewhere. His only win over anyone of note came when he beat Kongo in a very questionable split decision. As far as his fights with Nog go, he's lost all three of them. There's such a thing as a lucky kick, but you never hear the phrase 'lucky winner of three fights', so there goes that.

Not only is Herring a can, but he's also the perfect can to face Lesnar, because Lesnar is a wrestler and everybody knows Herring can't fight on the ground. That's why he lost to Jake O'Brien in his UFC debut, btw, a fight made incredibly more pathetic by his bitching to Joe Rogan afterward about how fans want stand up and pussies fight on the ground.

As far as Lesnar himself goes he's training and getting better. Good for him. Give the guy a fucking medal. He is a good athlete, and there's not many 'Lesnar haters' out there who would say otherwise. The problem most MMA fans have with him is that he doesn't have any MMA experience and he didn't fight his way up from the smaller promotions like everybody else.

The fact is I wouldn't have a problem if Lesnar had started at a smaller level, or stayed in K-1 for a while and proved he was ready to fight at an elite level before coming to the UFC.

That the UFC took him right away, which, don't kid yourself, they have never done and would never do for anybody else, tells me that their willingness to pay him more than UFC veterans AND give him co-main event status for his first fight is a financially motivated desicion and has more to do with his popularity as a soap opera actor than it does with his ability as a fighter.

And that's just not fair. It's not fair to the other fighters in the division who actually earned their spots on the UFC roster and it's not fair to the fans who pay to see the best fighters in the world, not the most marketable ones.

>>6669
When Lesnar beats Fedor then I'll stop hating him. Until then he's just a 2-1 joke.

fedor would fuck him

Fans pay for marketing crap.. that's why you see dopes in Tapout shit all over the place. That's why UFC is all about the $$, not about "the best fighters". Don't blame Lesnar... any of those up-and-coming fighters would take that big fight if they had the chance. It's the marketing machine that is the UFC. What was Lesnar supposed to do, turn it down? Be seen as a pussy who wouldn't take the fight? I am sure there are LOTS of guys who have agents pitching themeselves to the UFC. Point the blame where it's due - UFC management.

Sponsors, agents, etc.... fighting ain't the #1 priority of an organization that has "fighting" in their acronym. Go figure.

>>6688
Which is why I laugh when Dana makes his stupid little comments about other promotions/fighters. I just listened to his interview with Opie & Anthony where he calls Fedor a myth and that he's a joke. I lolled so hard.

I'm simply interested in seeing how Lesnar does as he obviously has good wrestling and amazing power. Some people just want to hate him, and that sucks. Fedor would kill him? REALLY? No shit buddy, Fedor is the No.1 HW in the world.

If you think this is the first time the UFC has made a financially motivated decision, you need to brush up on your understanding of a business. Penn is 0-2 in his last two fights at 170, but he is going to fight GSP for the welterweight title in his next fight, he even wanted to have the Fitch fight pulled so he could fight GSP sooner. This is nothing new kids, believe me.

>>6688

Five comments ago Lesnar was a great fighter and could be a contender and now all of a sudden "it's about dollars, and who can blame Lesnar, and anybody in his position would do the same."

I know the UFC is all about money, but just like the Olympics, people like to at least be given the illusion of fairness in professional sport.

And while it's mostly management that's at fault, I do blame Lesnar for his part in it. He has absolutely no class, for one, and his fight with Herring was goddamn boring because - get this - he doesn't know how to do anything except wrestle. Maybe he'd have learned some of that stuff if he'd stayed in K-1 for a while, then he wouldn't be fucking putting people to sleep with his fights before making them rage with his post fight antics.

The UFC does not need another Josh Koscheck.