Lets discuss what history would be like if the Gunpowder plot HAD SUCCEEDED. Obviously James the First would be dead, along with all of the people in the house of lords. Possibly Jame's Catholic Daughter inheriting the throne and making england a Catholic state once more?
>>19707considering they were actually given up by a fellow conspiritor, i think one of them would have blabbed. even if they didn't, the investigation probably would have found who was hiring cellars beneath and tortured a confession out of them.if all else failed, there are only so many scape goats, and catholics were public enemy number one at that point
>>19719the information would have gotten out one way or another.THis aint top secret FBI shit. It's gunpowder.Plus who wouldn't brag about they fact they just blew up the bloody parliament.
>>19702Good Point
>>19742>Plus who wouldn't brag about they fact they just blew up the bloody parliament.Someone who doesn't want to be drawn and quartered.
>>19742
>Plus who wouldn't brag about they fact they just blew up the bloody parliament.
Someone who doesn't want to be drawn and quartered.
Good Point
this probably belongs in /vg/ but i figured the thread would die quickly in the face of "huuur shootan" and "ah haev lvl 128 dicksucker".anyway; VICTORIA 2 IS BEING MADEHNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHHHHH!!1i came multiple times upon acquiring this knowledge(pic unrelated; it's me on an outing with my platoon of evil imperialist american interlopers descicrating a 3500 year old ziggurat with our very presence)
>>19727>hey doubble post guy, check>>19714 again, I think were on the same side of this argument.gee, ya think?>>19726yeah, i already play PI games and am looking forwards to vicky 2
>>19727
>hey doubble post guy, check>>19714 again, I think were on the same side of this argument.
gee, ya think?
>>19726yeah, i already play PI games and am looking forwards to vicky 2
>>gee, ya think?But then why did you, ughh nvm...
>>gee, ya think?
But then why did you, ughh nvm...
>>19749i didn't anything
>>19723The Japanese tried and ran into a fellow named Yi Sun Sin who crushed the Japanese navy on several occasions, including defeated a Japanese fleet that outnumbered his own forces 10:1. Also the Chinese Imperial Army was always ready and waiting to respond to any threat posed by Japan, which the Japanese learned in the late 16th Century. What is interesting though, is why the Japanese did not look south toward the disorganized and lightly colonized areas of Formosa (Taiwan) and Luzon (Phillipines), they may have been as easier conquest and control considering the Chinese had no interest in these states and the European Powers (Dutch and Spanish) had limited supply lines to these parts of the world. Considering that the Ryukyu Islands had accepted suzerainty of the Damiyo of Satsuma in 1609, they Islands did not pose a risk of supply lines to Formosa and Luzon. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>19723
The Japanese tried and ran into a fellow named Yi Sun Sin who crushed the Japanese navy on several occasions, including defeated a Japanese fleet that outnumbered his own forces 10:1. Also the Chinese Imperial Army was always ready and waiting to respond to any threat posed by Japan, which the Japanese learned in the late 16th Century.
What is interesting though, is why the Japanese did not look south toward the disorganized and lightly colonized areas of Formosa (Taiwan) and Luzon (Phillipines), they may have been as easier conquest and control considering the Chinese had no interest in these states and the European Powers (Dutch and Spanish) had limited supply lines to these parts of the world. Considering that the Ryukyu Islands had accepted suzerainty of the Damiyo of Satsuma in 1609, they Islands did not pose a risk of supply lines to Formosa and Luzon.
>>19753Yes, this is what I was referring too. Europe had a good economic motivation to colonize Philippines and duch east indies (spices, exotic goods etc..) Japan lacked this "opportunity" and could afford to just remain isolationist, unlike major European powers for whom this kind of policy would have meant suicide. Therefore "playing" as japan you would have several strategic objectives. Improve fleet technology, attempt to open markets to spur motivations to expand south west. Avoid protracted expeditions into continental china, instead focus on occupying islands and perhaps Siam/Vietnam coast.
>>19753Yes, this is what I was referring too. Europe had a good economic motivation to colonize Philippines and duch east indies (spices, exotic goods etc..) Japan lacked this "opportunity" and could afford to just remain isolationist, unlike major European powers for whom this kind of policy would have meant suicide.
Therefore "playing" as japan you would have several strategic objectives. Improve fleet technology, attempt to open markets to spur motivations to expand south west. Avoid protracted expeditions into continental china, instead focus on occupying islands and perhaps Siam/Vietnam coast.
Join the army they said, see the world they said.
DO something for your country they said, you'll be a hero they said
>>19757Join the army, acquire futuristic looking weaponry from thy enemies.
Let's play a little game /his/. ITT: You write your country's history in a nutshell(with less than hundred words) without mentioning the country's name, and the next poster guesses what country it is, and then writes his country's history and so on. Since I presume that most of you are American, you can also write about some other country's history if your country is well known. No googling or being pussy, only answer if you know without looking it up.I'll start: My country was first settled about 8500 BC. My country was a subject to 3 crusades, generally thought to have occurred in the years 1155, 1249 and 1293. During those three crusades my country came under the rule of its western neighbour, and stayed under that rule until 1809 when it came under the rule of its eastern neighbour. My country gained its independence in the year 1917. We took part of the second world war.
Let's play a little game /his/. ITT: You write your country's history in a nutshell(with less than hundred words) without mentioning the country's name, and the next poster guesses what country it is, and then writes his country's history and so on. Since I presume that most of you are American, you can also write about some other country's history if your country is well known. No googling or being pussy, only answer if you know without looking it up.
I'll start: My country was first settled about 8500 BC. My country was a subject to 3 crusades, generally thought to have occurred in the years 1155, 1249 and 1293. During those three crusades my country came under the rule of its western neighbour, and stayed under that rule until 1809 when it came under the rule of its eastern neighbour. My country gained its independence in the year 1917. We took part of the second world war.
>>19560lol Australia
Not a country but we want to be one.The king from the old land sent us to make money on this new plain while our main competitors goal was to colonize. We lost the only fortified city on the continent and we were by that moment slaves to the english and religion. By the middle of the 20th century we started getting balls and tried to become master in our on domain. (MaƮtre chez nous) We almost got our independance but having failed so close from our goal we laid back in a lethargic position until this day.
Not a country but we want to be one.
The king from the old land sent us to make money on this new plain while our main competitors goal was to colonize. We lost the only fortified city on the continent and we were by that moment slaves to the english and religion. By the middle of the 20th century we started getting balls and tried to become master in our on domain. (MaƮtre chez nous) We almost got our independance but having failed so close from our goal we laid back in a lethargic position until this day.
My country has never been independent despite having a population of millions. Our most well-known historical figure is one of the most important men in Islamic history.>>19585Didn't know about the crusades, makes sense now that I do.
My country has never been independent despite having a population of millions. Our most well-known historical figure is one of the most important men in Islamic history.
>>19585Didn't know about the crusades, makes sense now that I do.
>>19743Quebec
>>1974610 points for gryffindor.
So it's renaissance faire season! Any of you fellow history geeks going/have gone?Pic related. A couple of my favorite things to do at the faire.
So it's renaissance faire season! Any of you fellow history geeks going/have gone?
Pic related. A couple of my favorite things to do at the faire.
>>19616That is the faggiest knight I have ever seen.
I've always wanted to go to one of these. They look like a lot of fun.Around how much are the prices for these?
I've always wanted to go to one of these. They look like a lot of fun.
Around how much are the prices for these?
The Texas Ren Fest is reasonable. $35 gets you a 2 day pass. It's the food and beverage that rape you. I'm camping this year, so I'll be able to eat/drink my own shit at the campsite. However, a big-ass flagon of mead and an even more preposterously big-ass turkey leg are sooooooooooo worth it, no matter how much it costs! Food and drink there is so cash...
>>19621> SCA takes itself way too seriously. Only certain people in the SCA do. Just avoid them.Also, SCA chicks are a lot more "in period" morality wise than RenFair chicks. If you want to buy stuff for a girl, go to a Ren Fair. If you want to fuck one in a chainmail bikini, go the the SCA.
>>19621
> SCA takes itself way too seriously.
Only certain people in the SCA do. Just avoid them.
Also, SCA chicks are a lot more "in period" morality wise than RenFair chicks. If you want to buy stuff for a girl, go to a Ren Fair. If you want to fuck one in a chainmail bikini, go the the SCA.
Comment>>19654 :'D So true...>>19628 But would you hit it? :\
I think Indian women are the most beautiful women in history. If you don't agree what race is known through history for having more beautiful women?
>>19720Damn right! Black women are the strongest women on this planet. If you want a weak little subservient wife get an Asian or a White girl. This is why I think most whites are turned off by black women. They are intimidated by women that can kick their asses.
>>19728Even though I like black girls I am not under the impression they are strong. The fact most of them are raised to be loud, ignorant, and thick skulled doesn't mean they are strong, just means they don't know when to shut the hell up. A real strong woman doesn't need to get in everyones face and be extremely loud. It's just like guys bulking up and being general douche bags to try and show all the girls they are strong. If you can't see past that then enjoy getting stomped on by women that hate themselves for the rest of your life
>>19728
Even though I like black girls I am not under the impression they are strong. The fact most of them are raised to be loud, ignorant, and thick skulled doesn't mean they are strong, just means they don't know when to shut the hell up. A real strong woman doesn't need to get in everyones face and be extremely loud. It's just like guys bulking up and being general douche bags to try and show all the girls they are strong. If you can't see past that then enjoy getting stomped on by women that hate themselves for the rest of your life
>>19741second
>>19741
second
>>19741no woman is beautiful if she is not sophisticated, loud and, ignorant. it has nothing to do with race. i was merely pointing out that black women fulfill the type of beauty that is powerful not delicate. after that its just up to personal taste.
no woman is beautiful if she is not sophisticated, loud and, ignorant. it has nothing to do with race. i was merely pointing out that black women fulfill the type of beauty that is powerful not delicate. after that its just up to personal taste.
>>19748By that reasoning, pigs also have a beauty that is "powerful not delicate".
great historically based work of art.sauce in name
great historically based work of art.
sauce in name
>>19732Loleuropeans
>>19733I'm American
>>19736You're UNAMERICAN.
>>19737JINGOISM OR GO HOMEUSA USA USA
>>19737JINGOISM OR GO HOME
USA USA USA
>>19737Thank you for the generous compliment :)
So I heard that when Roosevelt started the new deal to help the US recover from the Depression, it didn't help African Americans at all. Does anyone know of any good books or essays on this subject or places where I can start some research?
I can't honestly say blacks weren't helped "at all", but if I recall correctly, whites had priority over blacks in getting jobs from New Deal programs and the like.
A more important question is why the fuck do you care.
>>19730since you posted in this thread, why do you?
>>19717Because niggers like you force historians to pay attention to this shit, eventhough nigger history is horrendously uninteresting because all american niggers did was be poor and live in ghettos.
>>19734>force historians>forcestopped reading there
>>19734
>force historians>force
stopped reading there
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP FUCKING AIRING FUCK YEA AMERICA! BULLSHIT HISTORY CHANNEL. THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS OF WW2 YOU DIP SHITS THATS ARE MORE INTERESTING THEN ANYTHING AMERICA EVER DID. Sorry I'm a little high right and just had to vent about the history channel not showing any cool ass russian/japanese/german/chinese/Italian/finland/other countries I missed stories. I mean for fuck sake I think a program about some of the KCH would be a amazing. Or the exploits of the japanese army when invading china. Hell anything other then america or britian would be amazing. Point of this thread you may ask? To post cool stories from ww2 or ww1 or any war really thats not from usa fuck yea! perspective.
>>19617But that's my point.>>19618Yes, but even so, a documentary that simply says the horsefucking myth was french propaganda would still be better than what they broadcast now. The important thing is that horsefucking gets mentioned.
Last night they had The Universe: Space Wars. Now I know how we will defeat those damn Lunar Separatists 100 years from now!Earth blew the fuck out of their colony with anti-matter and "The Rod from God"The History Channel: your source for history that hasn't happened yet.
>>19620Fucking download a documnetary on Russian Czars then. Fuck History Channel produced about five where horsefucking was mentioned back when television was watchable and Gundam Wing made sense.
>>19610adventures in english?what the tudors/victorians/georgians did for us?HHHNNNNNNGGGGGGHHHHH! fuck yeah
>>19656FUCK YEAH I GET OFF TO THOSE SHOWSMEDIEVAL HISTORY HAS A BIGGER COCK THAN WORLD WAR IIPLEASE DO MOAR NON-MILITARY, NON-WWII STUFF, HISTORY CHANNEL
>>19656FUCK YEAH I GET OFF TO THOSE SHOWS
MEDIEVAL HISTORY HAS A BIGGER COCK THAN WORLD WAR II
PLEASE DO MOAR NON-MILITARY, NON-WWII STUFF, HISTORY CHANNEL
Who was worse, Hitler or Stalin? Traditionally, its been Hitler, but I was thinking about I and I actually think Stalin was worse. If we're talking about body counts, Stalin killed like 4 times as many people as Hitler, so he has him beat there.If we go into how people were killed, both used forced labor, but the Soviets had forced labor in Siberia which is about 50 times worse. And they both shot plenty of people, so thats no different. As for other methods, as much as I hate to say it (my grandpa fled Germany because of the Nazis, barely got out before the Holocaust started), the gas chambers were reletively humane compared to many of the Soviet methods. One favorite among Gulag labor camps was wrapping someone in a wet canvas. The canvas would shrink as it dried, eventually suffocating them. Of course, this could take a few minutes. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Who was worse, Hitler or Stalin?
Traditionally, its been Hitler, but I was thinking about I and I actually think Stalin was worse.
If we're talking about body counts, Stalin killed like 4 times as many people as Hitler, so he has him beat there.
If we go into how people were killed, both used forced labor, but the Soviets had forced labor in Siberia which is about 50 times worse. And they both shot plenty of people, so thats no different. As for other methods, as much as I hate to say it (my grandpa fled Germany because of the Nazis, barely got out before the Holocaust started), the gas chambers were reletively humane compared to many of the Soviet methods. One favorite among Gulag labor camps was wrapping someone in a wet canvas. The canvas would shrink as it dried, eventually suffocating them. Of course, this could take a few minutes.
>>19667I lived in communism, and it wasn't nearly as bad as people like you make it out to be. In fact, if anything the state intruded less into personal space than it does today.>>19660I don't think it's just because of the Jews, remember that Stalin was one of the allies.Also, what it means is that Stalin killed people out of what he believed to be necessary for the benefit of the state, while Git-ler killed people out of idiocy - some sort of Nordic myth with no base in science. A destabilising factor if there ever was one in history.
>>19667I lived in communism, and it wasn't nearly as bad as people like you make it out to be. In fact, if anything the state intruded less into personal space than it does today.
>>19660I don't think it's just because of the Jews, remember that Stalin was one of the allies.Also, what it means is that Stalin killed people out of what he believed to be necessary for the benefit of the state, while Git-ler killed people out of idiocy - some sort of Nordic myth with no base in science. A destabilising factor if there ever was one in history.
>>19672Both Stalin and Hitler killed people out of what they believed to be necessary for the benefit of their States!
>>19675And one had crazy reasons for it. Wonder why people think he's worse?
>>19672>i'm 14 and still live in a wet dream where people must be forced to be equal by the state, and actually have never been near russia or lived with/under those lowbrow mongoloids in white skinfuck you douchebag
>>19672
>i'm 14 and still live in a wet dream where people must be forced to be equal by the state, and actually have never been near russia or lived with/under those lowbrow mongoloids in white skin
fuck you douchebag
>>19689>>one had crazy reasons for itThats right, his name was Stalin. I am glad we agree.bro tip they were both crazy and paranoid
>>19689
>>one had crazy reasons for it
Thats right, his name was Stalin. I am glad we agree.bro tip they were both crazy and paranoid
ITT: we break mythsHi, im a guy that only got command of a panzer division cause i was lucky to be close to hitler. My record wasn't as impressive as you'd think and my victories were only hyped up by propaganda to distract you from our defeats in the east.
ITT: we break myths
Hi, im a guy that only got command of a panzer division cause i was lucky to be close to hitler. My record wasn't as impressive as you'd think and my victories were only hyped up by propaganda to distract you from our defeats in the east.
>>19633OMG I CHECKED THIS IP!ITS FROM ARGENTIINNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
>>19633OMG I CHECKED THIS IP!
ITS FROM ARGENTIINNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
is that a isp like aol
>>19649ISP is called FIA Facil Internetos por los Abueloswhatever that means...
>>19649ISP is called FIA Facil Internetos por los Abuelos
whatever that means...
nope, not argentina.
>>19659um tiscali?
All times and placesFor me its Andrew Jackson - The Great American Badass. President, killed several men in duels and carried two bullets embedded in his body from such duels, JFK level womanizer, nearly bludgeoned to death his own would-be assassin who's two pistols misfired, openly defied the supreme court and no one did anything about it, killed thousands of British even after the war was over, taught a parrot to cuss in two languages. A real American hero.
All times and places
For me its Andrew Jackson - The Great American Badass. President, killed several men in duels and carried two bullets embedded in his body from such duels, JFK level womanizer, nearly bludgeoned to death his own would-be assassin who's two pistols misfired, openly defied the supreme court and no one did anything about it, killed thousands of British even after the war was over, taught a parrot to cuss in two languages. A real American hero.
>>19534Is that Sir John A. MacDonald?!
>>19534
Is that Sir John A. MacDonald?!
>>18018Dude, I liked Hamilton. Burr was a dick who took everything personally.
>>18018
Dude, I liked Hamilton. Burr was a dick who took everything personally.
>>18784Frederic the Great was also gay. Just sayin'%faggot%not that there's anything wrong with that
>>18784
Frederic the Great was also gay.
Just sayin'
%faggot%not that there's anything wrong with that
There are so many cool people that could be mentioned. I like histories bad asses, Ghenghis Kahn conquered the most territory for any one man let alone nation in what was almost an ancient world war and as the legend goes his army executed over a million people in only an hour (I suppose if the whole army was at work killing people it could be possibe)
>>19655He also set up the first secular government and had the first open parliamentary system.